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High-Profile Celebrity Breakups & Legal Drama are making headlines. From romantic entanglements like Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift to legal battles such as the Coldplay Kiss Cam scandal and the divorce of Jeff Bezos, this episode grants an insider look into the legal ramifications of celebrity relationships. Get expert insights on prenups, custody battles, and much more. Also, tune in for a healthy dose of humor involving pet monkeys. Don't miss out on this informative and entertaining episode.
00:00 Introduction and Team Setup
00:43 Family Law in the Headlines: The Coldplay Kiss Cam Incident
05:14 Celebrity Relationships: Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift
08:54 Courtney Thorne-Smith's Divorce
11:50 Ryan Lochte's Custody Battle
16:13 Jamie King and Kyle Newman's Unusual Custody Case
17:01 Custody and Legal Decisions
17:38 Supervised Visits and Drug Problems
17:50 Understanding Shared Legal Custody
18:50 Nightmares of Custody Orders
19:40 Third-Party Decision Makers
20:16 Celebrity Relationships and Prenups
25:36 Kanye West's Controversial Actions
27:41 Real Housewives Drama
31:04 Cardi B and Offset's Public Disputes
33:28 Jeff Bezos' Massive Alimony
35:09 Concluding Thoughts and Monkeys
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00:00 Introduction and Team Setup
00:43 Family Law in the Headlines: The Coldplay Kiss Cam Incident
05:14 Celebrity Relationships: Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift
08:54 Courtney Thorne-Smith's Divorce
11:50 Ryan Lochte's Custody Battle
16:13 Jamie King and Kyle Newman's Unusual Custody Case
17:01 Custody and Legal Decisions
17:38 Supervised Visits and Drug Problems
17:50 Understanding Shared Legal Custody
18:50 Nightmares of Custody Orders
19:40 Third-Party Decision Makers
20:16 Celebrity Relationships and Prenups
25:36 Kanye West's Controversial Actions
27:41 Real Housewives Drama
31:04 Cardi B and Offset's Public Disputes
33:28 Jeff Bezos' Massive Alimony
35:09 Concluding Thoughts and Monkeys
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Cameron: Hi, um, my name's Cam.
I'm the marketing and business development manager at New Direction Family Law. Sitting in a little bit, kind of for Elizabeth today, it's not quite as much fun without her, but Sarah's still here. Matt's here. I'm sorry.
Matt: It's not as much fun without her.
Sarah: It would be great if it was the four of us. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. This is the third episode with Matt, so we're happy to have him.
Cameron: Yes. Yep. Mm-hmm. And we are gonna have some, we are gonna have some fun with this one a little bit. Yes. We're gonna talk about like family law matters that are going on in the headlines. Yes. In the public eye. Um, so biggest one that we can start with 'cause it won't need too much of a setup for you guys.
Do you guys, do you know who Andy Byron is? Chris Cabot, [00:01:00] I know who you're talking about. The, the Coldplay Kiss cam. Oh, yes. Seen them situation. They're, they were employees at Astronomer, so she resigned. I think he. Lost his job.
Matt: Oh, did he?
Cameron: Or maybe he resigned, was the ceo. You know,
Sarah: they, they, they step back.
They step away. Yeah. They don't lose their job really, usually. Mm-hmm. Let
Cameron: things blow over. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and still get paid, but very, got caught very publicly in on, at a cold play concert. Yeah. On the kiss cam. And it went viral. Mostly because of how they reacted. Like they both freaked out. As soon as they
Sarah: do, we know what state they were in.
This goes back to our alienation episode. Oh it does. Um, that's a pretty easy
Cameron: case right there. I don't know what, well, does it matter which state they were living in or does it matter which state this incident happened in? Depends.
Matt: See, you're getting into it. I don't know. You know, I don't know. I don't know.
Sarah: We don't know the state [00:02:00] anyways. Yeah. But I mean, it, it is like we, we commented on if they had
Matt: sex at the Coldplay concert, then they, they're fucked.
Sarah: Yeah. But it wasn't ont that, that wasn't like sex scam. That part wasn't on tv. Scam.
Matt: Yeah. Concert wasn't.
Sarah: Thank you. That was not on our list, was it? No. So they're safe from the alienation and criminal conversation cases, but
Cameron: probably not from alimony?
Matt: No.
Sarah: No. I don't know if they're separated now.
Cameron: They're both married. Yes, they were both married. So both now spouses. Right. Have I keep pissed?
Sarah: Like, I mean, if you're gonna cheat on me, then you do it and like so many people see and then it gets blown up on.
Matt: It's all over the, I mean, all over. Does that
Sarah: increase
Cameron: in alimony claim, like
Sarah: feelings, sort of public pain and suffering?
No, not, well, we don't know their laws wherever they live. Sure. Yeah. In North Carolina it really wouldn't.
Matt: There's nothing in the statute or anything that says like it addresses that, but. It's up to that one judge. Yeah. One person making a decision. [00:03:00] And I think anything, they're a human being. Anything could make them go up or down, I think, right?
Mm-hmm. That's true. So
Sarah: there's a lot of factors when it comes to alimony and the whole, the statutory part. That's like if you commit adultery, then you shall pay alimony. Um, you know, what does that mean? A dollar in some cases? Mm-hmm.
Matt: At least a dollar. Right. Or they, I don't know from
Cameron: their, from what I understand, like, you know, both of these are C-suite level employees at a big company.
Mm-hmm. So they're getting paid. Right. Right. And so like not, they're probably also financially the breadwinners in their family too. Yeah. Like, I mean,
Sarah: they got divorce attorneys. They're paying people to crunch numbers, business evaluators, and mm-hmm. There's a lot of people involved in that case that aren't just attorneys for sure, because, I mean, I don't know if it's spousal support alimony in North Carolina.
It'd just be crunching numbers and then you look at your actual expenses of the wife. Um, [00:04:00] and does he have the ability to pay? Yes, of course. Sounds like for sure. Mm-hmm. And what those expensive var will drive, what that award is of alimony. Yeah. Maybe an extra whatever for vibes and feelings about this asshole.
Right. But like, generally it does stick to my experience as it sticks with the numbers.
Matt: They, they should, yeah. I think they do.
Sarah: Because there is like marital misconduct aside from that, that the court takes into consideration. Yeah. Like physical abuse or,
Matt: I mean, in domestic abuse. In that case, they're obviously.
It's an open secret at the job. They're there with a bunch of people from their work. True. From what I understand. And they're all hanging out. And you can see when they cut to 'em, the other people at the work are like, oh shit. Oh yeah. You know? And think it's kind of funny. You know? That's what which
Sarah: happens.
These people live in their own own worlds. Yeah. Live in their own little worlds where they're having the most loving time. Best thing ever. Like you guys are idiots and it comes crashing
Cameron: down around them. Yeah. Don't do it in public, like Yeah. I mean, don't do it, but like,
Sarah: it's okay.
Cameron: Also don't do it in public.
Sarah: Just he's smart about it.
Cameron: Right. Yeah. [00:05:00] Okay. Next.
Matt: Must have been pretty, you know, rough for their spouses, I would think.
Cameron: Yeah, I would think so too. That's very, very public. Yeah. And if you have kids, okay, moving on.
Matt: Ah, yeah.
Cameron: Yeah. Um, okay. So also probably doesn't need a whole lot of setup for most people, but Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift got engaged last week.
Last week. I love that. I think I announced
Sarah: it to the office when it happens. You did. You were
Cameron: like you. I was like, who? Who? Oh, oh, oh, I get it. I got it now. Like, yeah. At first I didn't understand. I was like.
Sarah: Because mom and dad, I think you
Cameron: abbreviated.
Sarah: Yeah, I think I said mom and dad are getting married.
Cameron: Yeah. And I was
Sarah: like, I had to think
Cameron: about it for a
Sarah: second. Matt was like, what in the world,
Matt: mom and dad? What's, what's going
Sarah: on? Well, they always refer to like Taylor's mother. Don't worry about it. They do. This is getting like, ugh, we could go real deep into some Taylor Swift lore, but we're not gonna do
Matt: that.
Sarah: We only have a, it's only
Matt: 15 minute podcast. I don't wanna keep Joe here
Sarah: all
Cameron: night. So I think all of us [00:06:00] on the family law side of things are like, what's going on? You gonna get a prenup? Like Sure. A hundred percent.
Matt: I, I got a prediction.
Sarah: Ooh,
Matt: they don't ever get married.
Sarah: Oh, do you? Are you one of the people think it's all for, um.
Media,
Matt: maybe. I don't, I'm not convinced of that necessarily, but it could be that. It could also just be like, they don't make it there. You know what I mean? I don't know. Married, what? Are you gonna come in and destroy
Cameron: that affection?
Matt: Yeah. God. How long have they been
Cameron: together, Sarah? How long have they been dating?
Two years. Okay. And she's 33 5. 35. Okay.
You're that age, age, I think you, I just got
Matt: a, I got a suspicion. Size it up
Sarah: faster.
Matt: If I'm wrong, I'll come back on here and say I was wrong. We gonna put some money, pun. Put
Sarah: some money on it. Anyways, I think put
Matt: a bet on the board. We need a board bet on things.
Sarah: $200.
Matt: We'll come, Matt's answered
Sarah: everything.
Let's gamble. Yeah.
Matt: Yeah.
Sarah: 1300. It's [00:07:00] thirteens Taylor's number. They're getting married.
Matt: Oh, I'm not wagering. 1300. All right.
Sarah: One 30.
Matt: I'll put one 30. They never get married,
Sarah: but they definitely have a prenup and they have plenty of lawyers that work on it.
Matt: Yeah, definitely shoulda have a prenup
Sarah: and it's, it's probably just very reciprocal.
It doesn't need to be all fancy. It's like, what's mine is mine and what's yours? Is yours?
Matt: Yeah.
Sarah: I mean, it's probably pretty fancy compared to the ones I do.
Cameron: Well, they, they're starting to collaborate on things a bit more. Like don't they have a podcast together now? Well, she just went on his podcast. Oh, so she went to his podcast?
Yeah. Okay. I didn't know if like, I don't know why I thought they were doing one together. They did one episode
Sarah: together. I don't know.
Matt: Okay. He needs to take his football commitments more seriously. If you ask me, because
Sarah: he scored a touchdown the other day. Yeah. Barely his first game. Yeah. What? What do you mean barely?
Like, barely got it. He caught it and ran it. It barely
Matt: got touched. He's been slacking. He is getting old. Well, can't help it, but
Sarah: yeah. You're older than him.
Matt: Yeah, I'm older than all these people will talk about him. Pretty sure. [00:08:00] Um, except Jeff Bezos. Oh yeah. I'm just saying I, you know, I got 'em on the team.
Yeah. Okay. Straight. They get a prenup. Okay. They'll
Sarah: have a great wedding. It'll be beautiful. And Matt will pay me $130. One
Matt: 30,
Sarah: moving on and, but because they have properties
Cameron: in like all these states and stuff too. Yeah, they really fucking rich. You just have to have like every, like every state, state attorney look at your stuff.
Nah. Okay. I mean,
Matt: intellectual property because it's just a
Cameron: contract, right? A prenup essentially. Yeah.
Sarah: They have their. They probably already have some pretty heavy hitting contract lawyers and they just, yeah, phone in their family law Los Angeles attorneys and
Cameron: yeah, they probably are maybe even already had like an NDA or something like that.
They're having their attorney's
Sarah: attorney look over the other attorney's. Attorney's. Draft attorney's. Attorney's attorney. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, like I get it. They probably won't even look at it that much. Taylor and Travis. Okay.
Cameron: Okay. Um, alright, so Courtney Thorn Smith. This is should be [00:09:00] Matt, our age demographics.
Here it is here. I don't know how old you are. Oh, thank you. From Melrose. Melrose's place. Do you remember? Under
Matt: 40.
Cameron: Under 40. Okay. Still a rising star, remember? That's right. Yeah, that's right.
Matt: Still rising
Cameron: Star is still rising.
Matt: Not like us. We're all the way down.
Cameron: Yeah. I'm on the backside of this party for sure.
Matt: Yeah. I remember Courtney Thorn Smith.
Cameron: She was in Melrose Place. Yeah. She was the
Matt: second hottest girl in Melrose Place.
Cameron: She was the blonde. Yeah. So and so. That doesn't
Matt: narrow down, but, but yeah, I'm sorry. Okay.
Cameron: She's married to Roger Fishman or was, and I found, like when I, I thought this was pretty interesting.
They split up this year. She represented herself, pro se. Mm-hmm. And she asked the court to terminate any ability for spousal support on either side, like. Oh, what's the reasoning?
Matt: I would assume she's richer than he is. She was the one asking for it,
Cameron: but she was, I mean, she went pro [00:10:00] se like if she's got a lot of money, why wouldn't she be an attorney?
Oh, I don't know about that one. Mike.
Matt: Yeah, you got me there buddy.
Sarah: Either or maybe she's just not. Right. And so she didn't need to say that because she didn't have money to pay. I don't
Matt: know.
Sarah: I think we're, I'm gonna miss a lot of context here. I didn't watch Melrose's place and I do not know, did, didn't miss anything.
Imagine, cannot not rank the hot people.
Matt: Nine. I know. Two, one oh. But like eight years later, after they have shitty jobs and I don't know, or almost 30. That's Melrose Place. Mm-hmm. Heather, walk clear. It's
Cameron: like soapy like Yeah, it's like
Matt: soapy nineties. Mm-hmm. Soap trash.
Sarah: Well, I'm gonna go back with my first answer.
Yeah. Intelligence locking.
Matt: Just leave it at that Courtney. I don't know.
Sarah: I mean, if you don't, if you have money to pay an attorney and you don't get an attorney, you are usually like pretty narcissistic and dumb in my experience. Hmm. Be dumb, dumb. Consult to people, be they refuse to pay money to an attorney 'cause they don't wanna pay money.
Then they have all this, like all these assets and businesses. I'm like, what are you [00:11:00] thinking? What are you doing?
Matt: I don't know this. You
Sarah: think you're the smartest person in the room? Always? Sure. This is probably why your relationship ended.
Matt: She must have some money. I don't know who this guy is. Roger Fishman.
If she's the one asking to have no alimony, either way, that's not like a let's just each keep our own. She has more money is usually what that means. Yeah. Um. It must be going. He why? It says, uh, artist adventurer and activist is Roger Fishman. So he doesn't have any money. So she Yeah, she just doesn't wanna pay him.
Cameron: Yep. Yep. Okay.
Matt: So, but she should get in it to me. But
Cameron: I thought it was really interesting that she went pro se,
Matt: like, that's weird,
Cameron: you know?
Matt: Yeah.
Cameron: Anyway. Yeah.
Matt: It'll burn her.
Cameron: For everyone out there that doesn't know I had to learn this. Pro se means that you're representing yourself. Yeah. Okay, so I'm gonna mess up this last name.
The swimmer, the Olympic swimmer. Ryan La
Matt: Laki. Latchkey
Cameron: Laki?
Matt: No, it's Ryan Lochte.
Cameron: Lochte, yeah. Got it. Thank [00:12:00] you. And Kayla Reed. So he's an Olympic swimmer. They were married for seven years with three kids. Crazy custody case.
Sarah: Yeah.
Cameron: Saw the lines
Sarah: about that.
Cameron: Yeah. So like he's being accused of like drug use in front of his kids, like leaving cocaine, baggies, all the front, a cocaine bag in
Sarah: the three year old's bed or something like that.
Yeah,
Cameron: like just drugs and alcohol. It's, it's playing out in on in the tabloids Really.
Sarah: Yeah. So he probably does have a drug problem, I mean.
Matt: Y'all don't remember when he was on? Uh, he had his own show maybe eight years ago.
Sarah: Was it like a dating show?
Matt: No. It was like a reality show.
Sarah: No. What was it about?
Matt: It was like a reality show about him.
Like he's some kind of hot idiot kind of premise. I don't know. He got, I think he got arrested in Brazil during the Olympics in 2016. Um,
Cameron: how does something like that not come up in an Olympic drug screen? Well, he is
Sarah: [00:13:00] not
Cameron: in
Sarah: the Olympics anymore. He is old.
Matt: Yeah. That's true.
Sarah: Probably younger than Matt still, but
Matt: he was probably, he's a little bit younger than me.
Careful
Sarah: now, because Matt and I are all like almost the same age. Yeah. But I mean, drugs are bad, you know? Cocaine not good to have around your children. Yeah, for sure.
Matt: Those Olympics were in Brazil though, so that he probably enjoyed it.
Sarah: Down,
Matt: you know,
Sarah: sounds like he, and when, when you're in a custody case, you can ask the court to order someone to take a drug test hair follicle, and they get you, they get a real close there.
They shave your head pretty much in a little spot and take your follicles really close to your head. Um, so you can do that. You can ask for like a substance abuse evaluation and you can find the drugs, find the money, get the evidence. I mean, that's not good. You will. Lose some custody time. I have supervised visits if it's really bad.
Yeah.
Matt: If you're gonna get divorced and it's gonna be a custody issue, you need to stop [00:14:00] doing drugs for a little while.
Sarah: You really need to lay off in drinking too. Like And the
Matt: drinking it. Yeah.
Sarah: They will just light up anything your other spouse to make an issue of it.
Matt: Yeah.
Sarah: And sometimes I'm like this, this isn't an issue.
I don't see an issue being in front of the court and the judge like barely listens to your case and is like, oh, someone wants. A substance abuse evaluation. I wasn't listening, but shit. Might as well order it to like, make sure everything's okay. Yeah. You know, think it
Matt: depends on the judge. Most, I think definitely don't want a drinking drug situation.
Cameron: Well, I mean,
Matt: but some are kind of depends on the drug.
Cameron: You don't wanna see somebody be, um, like hammered, falling down, intoxicated, like in front of your kids and stuff like that. But drinking's not illegal. There's a, like, drug use is illegal. There's a little bit of a difference there in my mind. Yeah. Like neither, I'm not, neither are responsible, but like there's a big difference between doing something illegal and [00:15:00] doing something inappropriate.
Matt: Yeah.
Sarah: Yeah.
Cameron: So
Sarah: I mean, they, they try to carve out in custody orders. Not drink too intoxication. Okay. Does that mean, oh, let's just draw the line at like ability to drive. Right. The legal limit to drive. So you just can't do that while you have custody of the kids. So it's like two drinks usually. Right. Um, but it can be kind of vague, you know?
Yeah. Don't be under the influence. Well, what does that mean? Yeah. How many gummies is that? You know? Right. Yeah. I don't know. Like gummies, five milligram max. It's really like blurred lines here. Yeah. And it can be hard to enforce 'cause what drugs are they doing while you're not around? If you're separated and
Matt: if, I mean right.
If I was a drug, like the gummies would be a big thing with me. 'cause they just. Like you could easily see a child trying to get Right. The gummies. Yeah. They don't understand. That's not candy. Man. Ain't, but they're not gonna drink the tequila, but they'll eat a gummy.
Sarah: Yeah. On accident. You just have to store them safely with your guns.
The judges also say, you need us to [00:16:00] store safely and your guns safe. Just put your gums in. Your gummy safe. Yeah. Gummies in your gun safe and things will be okay.
Cameron: Yeah, I, so speaking of like drug use and like, um. If it's really bad. So I'm gonna skip outta order on my little list here. But Jamie King and Kyle Newman, they're both actors very again got, are getting, going through a divorce.
Mm-hmm. Have gone through a divorce. Unusual case because he was granted full physical custody, the father, which is not a common thing. Yeah. Um, and then, but shared legal custody. She can only have supervised visits.
Matt: Mm-hmm.
Cameron: So like, and this all really stems from her refusing to, uh, comply with the courts like drug and alcohol program and completing the parenting course it sounds like.
Really?
Sarah: Yeah. Like she just, I thought Jamie King was pretty [00:17:00] chill.
Matt: Apparently
Sarah: not. Apparently not.
Cameron: I know,
Sarah: just Googling,
Matt: make sure if they, it's just
Cameron: kind of bananas that like,
Matt: if they gave her, they don't give everybody a drug and alcohol, uh, whatever. Yeah. Plan.
Cameron: Yeah.
Matt: Or evaluation. Mm-hmm. Unless there's some premise for that or some reason to do that
Cameron: sometimes,
Matt: you know,
Sarah: not all the time.
Cameron: So, so how does that work? Like, so he has full physical custody of the kids. She has shared legal custody. I saw What does that, I read that usually
Matt: mean he even ha he even has like a tie breaking authority. 'cause I did do some prep for this before I came in here. What gets you, yeah, he has tie breaking authority and then she has several hours, three times a week to see the kids.
Cameron: But it has to be supervised, right? Yeah. Like
Matt: yeah. So they think she's got a drug or alcohol problem. Yeah. Is the answer to that one?
Cameron: Yeah. What does shared legal custody mean though? Like what's the like, so that means you can, you still get to kind of make decisions on like where the kids go to school and stuff like that, or, yeah,
Sarah: so [00:18:00] health.
Okay. Education in this. Sometimes it includes extracurriculars, those kind of decisions. Okay. Big decisions for the kids. So in this situation, if someone has final decision making power, it really is like so legal. I mean, it's a farce. Yeah. You have to
Matt: send an email saying, this is what I'm thinking. What do you think?
And then they say, this is what I think. And you say, well, I decided to do what I'm gonna do because I have decision making authority. But you have to do that. You know,
Sarah: some, some orders will be more structured and they'll put like parameters and like you have to take this amount of time. Like discussing those issues and emails.
Yeah. And then, you know, if you don't have a decision within 30 days after like good faith conferral, then you make a decision. Mm-hmm. So it can be a little bit more strict on what you need to do to then, you know. Enforce your final decision, but mm-hmm. A lot of times they don't say that
Matt: it's a nightmare In the cases where you get a final custody order for a kid that's under five or six school age and then they get to be five or [00:19:00] six and they have joint and they live in different school zones.
Mm-hmm. And there may be far away on opposite sides of the county or in different counties. Yeah. That's a nightmare for sure, because then you gotta run back into court, you know, and say, we can't agree on this school. So. I got a case right now where they had, you know, something in there, you see judges put in there.
If you can't agree, the doctor will decide. Or if you can't agree, the school professional at the school will decide
Cameron: doctor. Meaning like the therapist
Matt: could be the position
Cameron: about like
Sarah: vaccines and stuff. Yeah. Or
Matt: that, you know, or vaccines or some course of actual vaccines are tough, physical, you know, so.
If, uh, you're out there and you're in a custody case, you may want to ask for that kind of thing. Okay. To say, Hey, I don't wanna be left in limbo. Yeah. If we're gonna fight over this and we can't, like if we can't decide, then have some third party. Yeah. The doctor, the teacher, whoever.
Cameron: That's actually the coach.
That's a really good point. 'cause yeah,
Matt: make a decision. So
Cameron: someone needs to make a [00:20:00] decision, but I feel like this is probably a good way for her to continue to be involved in like her kid, like the long-term decisions that might impact her kids until she gets her shit together and like gets off drugs and alcohol or whatever.
Yeah, sounds like it. She's doing, [00:21:00] now we're on Haley. Yeah. Haley Steinfeld. Iss an actress. Josh Allen, quarterback for the bills. Is she
Sarah: Jerry Seinfeld's daughter? No. No. Steinfeld.
Cameron: Steinfeld. She's a Steinfeld. Oh, I'm sorry. What close though?
I don't know. It's, I don't know if his kids are, I knew Josh Allen, the public guy. The players, yeah. Yeah. Okay, so no prenup,
Sarah: like they love each other so much. Yeah.
Someone's not smart to you,
Cameron: but like
Matt: it's pure love, you know?
Cameron: I mean, this is, I don't know. It's probably a better deal for him than her, I would think. [00:22:00] I think she's, I don't even know who she is. Oh, she's been a bunch of stuff. I think you would recognize her face.
I know who he is. I'll recognize his face. Like he was, she was in, um, uh. What was she in most recently? Huh? Okay. She looks familiar. Oh yeah, she's been in some of the Marvel movies. Right? Like she's Hawkeye's daughter or something.
Sarah: Oh, okay. She's worth 25
Cameron: million. Yeah.
Sarah: How much is he worth
Cameron: more than that?
Josh Allen's worth more than 25 million. He's not the one. The Super Bowl, I bet. Bills. Bills are done a year. Probably gets paid 40. Yes. Mil
Matt: a year, sir.
Cameron: A year. 70 million.
Matt: Oh. What's his, uh, contract for? I was wronged.
Cameron: Very wrong. Good. Good job, Haley. 33 million.
Sarah: I mean, either way they're both gonna be fine.
[00:23:00] Right. But I feel like, I mean, plenty, many people don't get prenups. I think that people should all get prenups. Right. Or they could still do a post sn, still do a post-nup, but you don't know what's gonna happen in your future. It might come in money, but another thing to think about with prenups is that it protects you from someone else's poor choices.
I don't know how many times I've had cases where people are fighting over debt. Mm. They literally have nothing to fight over. But like homeboys out there spending money, credit card debt, racking it up and now that's half yours. Right? So you gotta think about the flip side too. And say, okay, well whatever you put on your credit card is your debt.
If we get separated and whatever, I put on my credit card and my name is my debt, so I'll have control over my financials and my like credit score.
Cameron: Yeah.
Sarah: Yeah. And that, so I don't know. I'm very prop prenup. Are you, you like, you have moments there. I mean, makes
Matt: sense, but it's just.
Sarah: Do you have a prenup? Much more.
Matt: No. God, it's much more romantic. Romantic God. What does that
Sarah: mean?
Matt: It's much more romantic to not have one. You know? So is it
Sarah: romantic or you're like, I love you so much, honey, because we don't have a prenup. [00:24:00]
Matt: I think it's going the other way. Like the girl's saying.
Sarah: I was living in my relationship. I said we were having a prenup.
That's
Matt: why you're a catch. But
Sarah: thanks Matt.
Matt: Yeah.
Sarah: Let's stop before Matt. 'cause there's always trouble. But you also just called me like unromantic.
Matt: Not really.
Sarah: Oh,
Matt: it's fine. Were you,
Cameron: did you get married before you were an attorney? How about that? No, no.
Matt: They're both attorneys, I think. I mean, I think that that, that's probably like, they're like, we're in love and you know.
Yeah. Or we just have so much money, it doesn't matter. Isn't
Sarah: Josh Allen a little, uh, conservative, you know Christian and, uh, probably is.
Matt: Oh, he is from Wyoming. Love is forever. I his name.
Sarah: I don't know. God would never separate us.
Matt: I mean, there's a lot of people like that, that like they can't enter into how could you consider, you know, us getting divorced, like my prenups.
It says can't. This
Sarah: is not in consideration that we don't, we were not anticipating a separation.
Matt: But you've obviously signed it and thought about it. I'm [00:25:00] not talking about, I doubt I the legal.
Sarah: My peanut are very lovely and romantic.
Matt: Won't, you know, consider it or think about it. So it's, it's not romantic.
Yeah. You see the eyes or
Sarah: hearts, the i's are dotted with hearts. Perfect. See, that's all you need.
Matt: But I mean, he was the, he would be the one. Hay for sure. Yeah. I would think.
Sarah: Unless there was marital misconduct. But again, I think they'll both be fine. Yeah.
Cameron: Yeah. They'll both be fine. There's plenty of money to go around.
Matt: Yeah. It seems like the lawyers will be fine. For sure.
Sarah: Yeah. Yes.
Cameron: Call it's your dream client right there.
Sarah: Call me Josh,
Cameron: I'll change your ways.
Sarah: Um, okay, so
Cameron: Kanye West and Bianca Sensori.
Sarah: Swastika debacle. Yeah. S swastika debacle. I don't know what that means. I mean, I know what a swastika is. I think we all know De Tanya is a debacle.
Cameron: Is um, what's the eccentric? I think we just neo this one eccentric guy. The thing's got a mental
Matt: health issue right now. Yeah. Yeah.
Cameron: Yeah, think it's too rich. So she decided to [00:26:00] break up with him because he put something on his website with the swastika symbol on it. Well talk about a red flag. Yeah. And so she was like, that's it.
We're done. Also, no prenup.
Matt: Were
Cameron: they married? Married? Yeah. They were married for two years. Shit,
Matt: I don't know.
Sarah: You know what? Losing him is a victory. Yes.
Matt: These people are on just like the. Like in the outer ring of weirdness. I don't know. Kanye can say anything. Time is
Cameron: over. Just somehow He's still making headlines though.
Sarah: Ah, people are really making fun of him for being like, he's just crazy.
Cameron: I was gonna, yeah, I try. I tried to be PC and say centric, but
Matt: I feel like he would be the one that would want the prenup. You know? I
Cameron: don't know. We can skip this one 'cause it is a little charged.
Sarah: Yeah. Well, I mean the, I don't know why it swastika's charged.
It's like, yeah, that guy's. Lunatic racist. What did he get like
Matt: a tattoo of a SWAs or what? No,
Cameron: [00:27:00] so he, um, I think during the, the Super Bowl or something, he took everything off of his website and replaced it with like a white t-shirt or something.
It was just, it was something very simple and plain and had nothing on it except a big giant swastika.
Sarah: Oh my God. Oh, this guy's terrible,
Cameron: terrible, terrible
Sarah: human being. I mean, just, I remember being in college and is really came down on his music. Yeah. Gold digger. And then he doesn't get a prenup. Justin family law.
Yeah. Look at him
Matt: and no prenup. PS
Sarah: that like we
Matt: want prenup.
Sarah: And he doesn't get a prenup
Matt: and then he doesn't get one. He doesn't follow his own advice. I, I'm telling
Cameron: you, he's lost his marbles. Yeah. That he has, um. Okay. Portia Williams was on Real Housewives of Atlanta. And, um, so her husband, I like how you
Matt: abbreviated that.
I was like, that's what that stands for.
Cameron: It's for, it's, that's, there was a note for me. Okay. I didn't expect you to know what that meant. I was like, uh,
Matt: um, should have known.
Cameron: So, [00:28:00] uh, sh her husband, um, got deported by ice, who got sent back to Nigeria. And like while all of this is going on, she's trying to get her prenup enforced,
Sarah: they're separating,
Cameron: uh, have separated.
Yes. And so I think because of the separation might have been why he got sent back. Like who knows? It could be any number of valid or invalid reasons. But yeah,
Matt: I, I did research on this one too 'cause I didn't know who these people were. Said he got deported like in the eighties. He got a bank fraud or credit fraud charge in 92 or a conviction in 92.
Then he reentered the country under an alias or a fake name. Sounded to me like it just finally caught up to him.
Cameron: Mm. So he was just engaged in criminal behavior
Matt: or, yeah, and like had been deported and then came back with a fake name.
Sarah: Okay. [00:29:00]
Matt: I don't know. And so she
Sarah: makes some money and she's like. Don't take my money.
I have a prenup.
Cameron: Uh, no. So, um, the prenup argument was over, I believe about their like, um, residences and so, and what portion of that was going to be hers and what was going to be his, and he was not complying. He wouldn't move, he wouldn't leave something like that Then, oh, so she got ice
Sarah: and got him deported
Cameron: this is, but it was the only case that I found of like her act like somebody actually taking the person to court to get the prenup enforced and like that process and how that all works.
Sarah: Oh, I mean, generally you don't really take it to the court to get it enforced. It's more like someone files an action and the other person's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we have a prenup, and then you get dismissed.
Yeah, it's like a bar. It's like a [00:30:00] defense, like we have a prenup. You might have prenup. Mm-hmm. We separate and break up and the prenup says, I don't get any alimony, and then I come file a claim in court to get alimony. Then Matt's like, no, I got a prenup. You waived alimony.
Cameron: So in her case where she's like, this property is mine.
Give, give it to me. Like get out. How does, well,
Sarah: he, I thought he got deported
Cameron: well during the pr, like while she was trying to get it enforced, I think he got deported. Okay. I'm unclear on the exact timeline, but it just was like a fun little detail about the case. So that would be, he keeps getting deported.
Yeah. That
Sarah: would be like what? Um.
Matt: Specific performance. yeah, I think you're right then. Then it's a breach of contract.
Yeah. When you want them to do something, right? Yeah.
Cameron: But they're not doing it. Yeah. Yeah. And so they like just make them vacate the premises. Like the sheriff comes and is like, you gotta go, says it in the court order. Okay. Yeah. Kind of like A-D-V-P-O, sort of like, you can you, the sheriff's here, get your stuff, get [00:31:00] out without the
Matt: stigma Yeah.
Of being an abuser. But yeah,
Cameron: So no Cardi B and offset. Have been on and off, no pun intended. Um, for, I don't know, since like 2017.
Matt: Offset's a person. It's a rapper. He's a rapper, so is she. I've heard of Cardi B.
Cameron: Yeah. So they've been kind of on and off for many years. Offset. Yeah, I know. I laughed a little too.
Legal theory all
Sarah: said.
Matt: Yeah. Like, well. I overpaid a little bit. It should go, you know, offset. Yeah,
Sarah: sure. That's
Cameron: where you got the name from. It's a contract
Matt: theory.
Cameron: Oh,
Matt: yep. Okay.
Cameron: Um, I bet that's, you're right. That's probably how I came up with that. Yeah. Um, so, uh, but I think one thing to talk about in this case is how this has like, played out in the media, like.
You advise your clients? I think we advise our clients. You guys advise? Um, I, uh, don't, [00:32:00] but, um, to be careful what you're putting out there on social media, right? Mm-hmm. And so like their entire relationship has played out on social media, like Yeah. All of it. Like when they broke up and like shitty things back and forth that they've said about each other.
And like,
Sarah: once we just settle a lot of court. Let's just move along. But I saw Cardi B in her recent assault trial. That was fun to watch.
Matt: Yeah. Oh, is that not the same thing? 'cause that's what I was thinking about. That's something different. They
Sarah: have like a, they have like
Cameron: custody.
Matt: Oh, okay. Yeah. This, I don't really know.
They're in a
Cameron: pretty nasty custody case and, and. It's difficult to sort through who has the brain in that relationship because of all the nasty things that they've said to each other online.
Matt: They, neither one of them may have a brain.
Cameron: Yeah. Not everybody has brains, but somebody has to get the kids right, and they're both like fighting for full custody.
They can't agree. Like
Sarah: they're probably just fighting fight. Right? Like they like fighting. Yeah. Yeah. Think they like to live in that, that
Cameron: turmoil. Mm-hmm. [00:33:00] I think that
Sarah: that might be the case. If you're in a toxic relationship on and off for years, you're probably gonna be in a toxic, like litigation. Yeah.
Yeah. For years and years.
Matt: Feelings may be raw still, you know?
Cameron: Or they just like crave the drama. Yeah.
Matt: Or they may like the drama also. Yeah. I don't know they're out there, but I dunno, it's
Cameron: expensive. They're out there. Habit to have, yeah. What, what did we say? You can't be. Difficult and not have any money.
Yeah.
Matt: Alright.
Cameron: Um, Jeff Bezos and McKenzie Bezos. So he's. This is, this is not a new headline or a recent headline. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. $38 billion in alimony that he is paying this A, B with a B.
Sarah: So like
Cameron: ongoing,
Sarah: like what's the monthly amount? Uh, I.
Matt: I bet it just moved a lump sum to her I think. I bet she just got Amazon. Yeah. Stock or something.
Sarah: And she turned around and like donates all the time to charities. Gave it away. Yeah. Like what
Matt: the hell?
Sarah: And he, I think he's get ready to get remarried.
[00:34:00] Her kids, what the fuck are you doing? She can live off the dividends quite and do quite well. Oh, interest? Yeah, sure. Like alone. And she's okay. Yeah. She's just not like these assholes out there that's just like having all this money and not giving anyway, and not paying taxes and just building this enormous wealth for what they're gonna die too.
Yeah. I tell them in my brain, yeah, you can't take it with you, man. No, you can't take it with you. I'm like, who cares? Why don't you, I don't. You support some good people out there. Yeah. Everybody has something they care about, right? Well, they care about not paying taxes. They support people who make sure they don't pay taxes.
Okay? So they, they care about money. That's what they care about. Money. They care about like their, you know, their prosperity, their name.
Matt: He wants to get to Mars, I'm pretty sure wants to get to Mars. He does wanna get to Mars. It's a red flag when
Sarah: a guy's like, I just wanna get to Mars'. Be like, okay, nevermind.
I don't have time for this. Yeah,
Matt: it happens all the time. You see it all every day. What God said, you know. [00:35:00]
Sarah: Wanna go to Mars. So yeah,
Matt: they're, that's their priority in life.
Sarah: Well, they just have these like abstract, like weird goals.
Cameron: Yeah. I mean, I thought it was weird, like when I, all, all the guys that I date, they wanted a monkey, all the guys to date
Matt: as a
Cameron: pet, as a had dated.
Like it was a, I was like, what is it with guys in like, pet monkeys
Sarah: don't see those. If you see those people at the, like bars, a lot of times their beach bars with some monkey on 'em, they're just like some washed up old man with a monkey, but they look hunk happy. So.
Cameron: Yeah, and I did actually see a pet monkey at this place anyway, beach.
Was that in Raleigh? No, it was in Raleigh. Okay. Yeah, the tap, tap yard or whatever. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh, thanks.
Sarah: Yeah. Monkeys large. It was in a
Cameron: stroller. It had like a little harness and a diaper. Did he have like, was there a girlfriend?
Sarah: Was there a woman?
Cameron: Yeah. Surely
Matt: not really.
Cameron: Yeah, they were a couple. I think they were married.
Matt: God. Well, she'll be bye to see us soon, I'm sure. Yeah.
Cameron: Yes, and
Matt: you can have the monkey, the husband. [00:36:00] Is this sold separate property?
Cameron: Yep. Yep. Okay. We ended on a $38 billion payout. And a monkey. And a monkey.
Ain't that some shit? Shit. Aint
Sarah: that some shit?
Matt: Yeah. I'd rather have the 38 billion